Simplified Sunday #1 – How to start off investing – Part 1
filed in Simplified Sunday Series on Jan.18, 2009
This is part one of a weekly segment I will call “Simplified Sunday” I will try to simplify topics of various nature to help the readers. There is no point on wasting money on memberships or complicated books when your starting out and need some basics. To explore further, by all means grab a book, but make this your starting point each Sunday.
So you want to invest? Great! The time to start could never have been better, with the economy down, its never been a better opportunity to cash in on some value stocks, mutual funds or real estate.
Wow, so there are many ways to invest out there, which one is good for you?
The first step to plan out your strategy is to be realistic about answering these two questions:
1. How much are you willing to invest?
2. How much risk are you willing to accept.
Remember - Nothing is promised investing and with greater risks, can come huge profits, but also big loss, think about that before proceeding.
Once you have ironed out those two questions, you want to pan out and explore the options.

For a low risk investor, the easiest options are a high interest savings account, or a term deposit. The rates fluctuate constantly, but there are sites like www.MoneyAisle.com that can help narrow down the choices based on rate preference and terms within your area of residence. It’s a great utility to save some time and maximize your interest rates. Again, your initial investment is guaranteed, but the return will be small. Some are happy with this and that is all that matters.
Medium risk investors might want to look at mutual funds. In a quick summary, mutual funds pool your money along with that of a large group of investors and then split that investment into various stocks. You can get mutual funds based on industry sectors (technology, farming, Latin American, etc) or based on risk. Some funds will charge a fee, and that is nuts. Don’t bother with those as there are tones of amazing mutual funds out there a person can get into without paying that fee.
One personal reason why I won’t pay that fee is because it makes me think that the fund manager will be doing less work when he/she already for the commission up front…so if you want my investment, you are not going to be charging. Again, talking to your local adviser or doing some searches online can yield some great options. My family deals with The Mutual Fund Store which has been good for them. Although I’m not at the point in my life where I want to invest in mutual funds, this company has got good reviews from people close to me.
High Risk investors are the renegades. We want to walk in and make bets and walk away rich. Okay, its not that dramatic but does require knowledge. If your going to listen to your barber about a stock and then bet the farm on it, your not only going to make a risk investment, but probably a stupid one that is going to make you lose some money.
High risk investments can be done through a personal broker, or yourself via a discount brokerage. I have two, one for Canada (Questrade) and USA TradeKing
Both enable me to manage my own portfolios with ease and charge a small price for commissions. There are other discount brokerages that I have dealt with, E-trade is one, which is okay in my experience, but Trade King just meshed better with me. Some Canadian brokerages connected to banks are options, but expensive if you have less than 100K to invest. When I started out, I was paying $29 commissions to TD Waterhouse but now pay almost nothing since my money has grown. But for a starter, find a place that is no-frills and low fee like (TradeKing
Now to start off on the stock market, I would start with at least $1000. Before you dream of mansions and private jets from this money, please calm yourself down. $1000 with a strong 50% return at the end of the year will mean you made $500 in profits. This might not seem like a lot, but compared to a 3% savings ($30) or 9% ($90) mutual fund, this is awesome. Slowly this grows and you have a larger amount to play with. Understand? Great! If you still think a potential of $500 is not a lot, you can always mail me a $500 cash or compare the things you can get with the various returns. I’m sure $500 can help with bills, groceries, a vacation. $30 can’t even get you a night out with your spouse.
Personally, I play a small gain strategy. I invest in a stock, make some money and get out. The stock might go up more later, but I’m happy if I can make consistent money each day. Its totally doable.
So you have your trading account set up, you have the money in the account, you are ready to invest. Now what? This is the part where you work as hard as you want your money to work for you. Think of it like this example. I have $175,000 invested, that means to me that I run a company with 175,000 employees. Each dollar is my worker. The way I manage my company and my little workers will reflect their performance and my return. So to get the maximum work out of them, what I do is each morning I scan headlines. I watch Bloomberg since they offer more business news without time wasting jokes and sarcastic panic fueled comments (if you have watched CNBC, you know what I’m talking about)
Okay, I am going to pause there, ahhhh a tease haha…no, I think that small steps will enable people starting off to get caught up as trading does not take place over a single night. Get to this point of having an account with funds in it (if your intention is to trade) and we will continue next week. I will also try to talk a little more about low and medium risk products as options.
Until the next installment…
Happy Investing!
Aman, MBA
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January 18th, 2009 on 10:27 am
thanks for writing up on the first building block. It is amazing how many people either get the wrong broker or don’t know their risk tolerance and the options available. Reading it puts it in perspective. look fwd to part two.
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January 18th, 2009 on 12:02 pm
Awesome start to a great series. Thank you for writing this and helping those of us who are just getting into the game. I’m already looking forward to next Sunday!
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January 18th, 2009 on 4:04 pm
I have been looking for mutual fund information for a while now on my own and that link you posted is excellent. Did you know they had a radio show archived from each week? there was so much info from that show on mutual funds I can truly say I have great leads and options. You saved me some money, time and grief. thanks and cannot wait for next Sunday either! you rock!!
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January 18th, 2009 on 5:32 pm
Aman, I have been listening to the Mutual Fund radio show for years now and its perfect for those looking for medium risk investments with a small capital. I was at that level for the past two years and was fortunate to get out before the markets fell. At this point I am comfortable to accept a high risk and move to individual stocks. I await the next episode as this is quick and helpful information in plan English.
RR
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January 18th, 2009 on 8:31 pm
Hey Aman,
Thanks for starting this series. I truly appreciate it.
I think a great addition to your blog would the “Popularity Contest” Plugin so people can see your top posts: http://alexking.org/projects/wordpress
Cheers,
~Hoo
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January 19th, 2009 on 11:22 am
@ everyone,
thanks for enjoying this. I’m going to go as slow as possible in order to try and let building blocks be solid for a long term growth of your portfolios. If at anytime there is clarity required, I will appreciate the questions and comments. I’ll be happy when everyone makes money.
@ Hoo,
awesome idea. I was looking for a plugin but this just made it easier! thanks!
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January 26th, 2009 on 2:14 am
Hi Aman,
Is this your full-time job? or is this just a side thing you do?
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admin@BullsBattleBears Reply:
January 26th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Hey Nick,
Actually I only spend about 2hrs/day on this trading. My current real focus is graduating from Medical School (paid for from stocks) so I can eventually practice. However, this is a great income so far and allows for my longer term goals of obtaining investment condos for rent. I also have a few other businesses running in the background – all which have been paid for my the markets.
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January 27th, 2009 on 2:06 am
When you say 2hrs does that include research/reading combined with actual trading? So you don’t follow pre-market or after-market activity? Only a 2hr span during the session?
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admin@BullsBattleBears Reply:
January 27th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Hey Nick,
For the 2 hours, I am referring to fully active work. While I am around the TV, its usually running bloomberg during the day while I study or work on other projects. Also, I have been investing for years now and like you have a set list of stocks, I in a similar way scan the news before I sleep (takes about 20mins), scan the pre-market for updates (30mins), make the trade, set me limit sell prices while putting in a stop loss incase the stock falls (10mins), and then come back during the day or at the close (30mins) and re-scan the news to see the trends for the next day. In the beginning, I know new investors will spend more time, but like learning to ride a bike, once you get the hang of it, it just gets easier.
If I am looking at a specific stock or sector, I try to watch the news wires carefully on determining a course of action – this means following pre/after hours.
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January 27th, 2009 on 2:29 pm
Do you follow a certain formula when setting your limit sell prices and stop losses for each trade? i.e. +2% sell limit and -1% stop loss? Can you give an example?
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admin@BullsBattleBears Reply:
January 28th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
well I mainly buy stocks on limit, just look at the 30/90 and 120 averages and also previous resistance points to see which levels a stock bottoms out on or rises to but never breaks past.
for stop loss, its the same basic principle as I try to put a stop loss a little lower than its bottom suport points.
For instance, if looking at (BAC) shares today, as of right now we can see that there is resistance in the afternoon to go above $7.50/share after all the crazy buying of in the morning tapered off. So with that in mind, we can see that support today was touched around $7.20/share twice…once in the early morning correction and once again later in the afternoon. So if I wanted to put a stop loss (sell price) I would peg it a few cents under this support as once it breaks then the price can go lower. On the upside, once the price breaks out of the $7.50/share, there would be strong rally before tapering off once again. its obviously way more technical than what I wrote and will try to add this into a write up in the coming weeks as there is some match and chart reading involved also.
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January 29th, 2009 on 3:34 am
Thank you Aman, your insight is greatly appreciated!
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January 29th, 2009 on 4:04 pm
I live in the west coast – Vancouver Canada area. Would it be harder for me to day trade due to the time zone difference? Such as having to get up around 5am to follow pre-market activity and such?
Also, you recommended Questrade but you say you currently have accounts with TDWaterhouse and TradeKing. Which do you recommend between Questrade and TradeKing or even TDWaterhouse?
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admin@BullsBattleBears Reply:
January 30th, 2009 at 12:01 am
Being on the West Coast should not hurt you from my experience. I’ve spent time on the west coast in both Van-city and L.A and I guess the fact that I’m early riser, its not a big adjustment. If you are only going to trade a few days a week as you have another job or things to do, then getting up early might be easy, but if your going to try and day-trade while having a regular job, that might be a little exhausting. A good friend of mine lives in California and she only plays the market once a week as a side hobby so usually invests on Monday as her weekend is spent doing research and then before work on Monday she places her order. Its a little odd strategy as obviously not all Monday’s = profits, but for her this system works within her schedule.
TradeKing is only for US account, you need to have a US address and American social security number. However, the other two are both for Canadians.
My friends swear by Questrade and i have played with the platform and its quite good. They have two levels, a basic beginners one which gives you $4.95/trade and then a pro platform which has more advanced data for a really active trader and those cost a little more. In the beginning Questrade was getting a bad rap, but have truly upped their game and are rated really high. In Canada, there isnt another brokerage that offers their service and price (E-Trade is $10/trade) and TD Waterhouse is only good if you are going to make atleast 3 trades/week and only after 3 months will your commission fees go from $29/transaction ($58 to buy and sell) go down to $9.95. I have had TD Waterhouse for years now and for a long time suffered with the high commisions. I remember some trades, I would make $100 (when I first started out) and then realize that after my commission, I actually took less than half as profit.
It was not until recently that they introduced this new pricing and I decided to stay only because I was also paying off my mortgage on my condo and wanted to get free of that debt so was able to transfer funds into the mortgage with a click as I made profits instead of spending it on something else. It worked for me.
All my friends that have gone into trading have either tried TD Waterhouse and hated the setup or not bothered at all with them or any other of the big Canadian banks totally because of the price setup. 80% are with Questrade and the others are with ETrade or just went with a personal broker (which isnt fun at all!)
If you look at the bottom of this page, on the left side, there is a banner for Questrade – you will get basically 10 free trades after you make your first 10 trades ($50 into your account). This makes the ability of giving Questrade a chance as with TDWaterhouse, you get nothing in terms of price breaks of credits.
Basically, if you are looking to get into trading, you need to decide if you want no frills trading account (Questrade) which will give you a super low price and the platform to trade stocks, or if you want to pay a little extra and have the account connected to a big bank and the ability to have a slight user friendly interface.
Check out Questrade from the link, explore the website, they do have a lot of options – you can trade Forex (currency), own physical gold which they hold for you, they have online lectures to educate yourself – many improvements.
Let me know if there is anything else I can clear up…
Best of luck!
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